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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In 250506.2, the use of a rnglist is throwing me. I would expect the lifetime of a vtable to be the whole program. Or did you envision the rnglist to be the range of data/rodata addresses of the vtable object? 2.17 clarifies
that they're code addresses (i.e. text), though.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">We did have a discussion sometime in the last year about describing data/rodata address ranges, but that was in .debug_aranges (RIP). And, IIRC, no actual compiler was generating data/rodata address there either.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/6/25 19:19, Cary Coutant wrote:<br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium">I've written a three-part proposal to address these issues:</span></div>
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<li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium">The first part,<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://dwarfstd.org/issues/250506.1.html" originalsrc="https://dwarfstd.org/issues/250506.1.html" style="font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true">250506.1</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium">,
proposes a standard mechanism for locating the virtual function table (vtable) given an object of a polymorphic class.</span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium">The second part,<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://dwarfstd.org/issues/250506.2.html" originalsrc="https://dwarfstd.org/issues/250506.2.html" style="font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true">250506.2</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium">,
proposes a standard mechanism for identifying the most-derived class of an object, given its vtable location, in order to support downcasting of pointers while debugging. </span></li><li><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium">The third part,<span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="https://dwarfstd.org/issues/250506.3.html" originalsrc="https://dwarfstd.org/issues/250506.3.html" style="font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif" moz-do-not-send="true">250506.3</a><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium">,
proposes a fix to the </span><code>DW_AT_vtable_elem_location</code><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Nunito Sans","Lucida Grande","Lucida Sans Unicode","Lucida Sans",Lucida,sans-serif;font-size:medium"><span class="gmail-Apple-converted-space"> </span>attribute,
which appears to be incorrectly implemented in compilers today.</span></li></ul>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 2, 2025 at 1:31 PM Todd Allen via Dwarf-discuss <<a href="mailto:dwarf-discuss@lists.dwarfstd.org" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dwarf-discuss@lists.dwarfstd.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>FWIW, when we at Concurrent were in the compiler business, our C++ compilers generated two vendor-defined attributes, both hanging off the DW_TAG_{structure,class}_type. Here are a couple with some sample locations:<br>
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<div>The first was a description of how to obtain the address of the vtable tag from an object.</div>
<div>The second was a description of the address of the vtable tag from just the type.</div>
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<div>As we characterized them internally, they didn't have to be the address of the vtable proper. They just had to be something that could be compared as a positive identification of the actual type. I believe they always were the actual vtable addresses,
though. Because why not?<br>
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<div>We do still have logic in our debugger to use them, too. In addition to the mangling-based approaches.<br>
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<div>It does require walking the whole DWARF tree to find them.</div>
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<div>On 4/25/25 09:49, Jeremy Morse via Dwarf-discuss wrote:<br>
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The LLVM discussion linked [0] happens to be us Sony folks, and it's supporting the use-case Kyle described of automatic downcasting, i.e. identifying the most-derived-class of an object from its vtable pointer. Having to demangle the symbol table is a real
pain (Tom, CC'd knows more) especially with things like anonymous namespaces.<br>
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Right now the approach is to have a top-level nameless global variable with the location set to the vtable address, and a DW_AT_specification linking into the class definition:<br>
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<font face="monospace">0x00000082: DW_TAG_variable</font><br>
<font face="monospace"> DW_AT_specification (0x000000b6 "_vtable$")</font><br>
<font face="monospace"> DW_AT_alignment (8)</font><br>
<font face="monospace"> DW_AT_location (DW_OP_addrx 0x1)</font><br>
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<font face="arial, sans-serif">[Then deeper into the DIE tree,]</font>
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<div><font face="monospace">0x0000008b: DW_TAG_structure_type<br>
DW_AT_containing_type (0x00000034 "CBase")<br>
DW_AT_calling_convention (DW_CC_pass_by_reference)<br>
DW_AT_name ("CDerived")<br>
DW_AT_decl_file ("vtables.cpp")<br>
DW_AT_decl_line (6)</font></div>
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0x000000b6: DW_TAG_variable<br>
DW_AT_name ("_vtable$")<br>
DW_AT_type (0x00000081 "void *")<br>
DW_AT_external (true)<br>
DW_AT_declaration (true)<br>
DW_AT_artificial (true)<br>
DW_AT_accessibility (DW_ACCESS_private)</font><br>
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This works well enough for our own debugger use-cases; I agree with Cary that it's hacky to rely on the name of a variable to signify important information like this and an officially blessed way could help.</div>
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<div>I've no opinion on the <span style="font-family:monospace">DW_AT_vtable_elem_location
</span><font face="arial, sans-serif">behaviours, although we can consider it a separate issue.</font><br>
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[0] <a href="https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/130255" originalsrc="https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/130255" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/pull/130255</a></div>
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